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QLSOの体験版は有料なんだけどさ。 そういう風に使うライブラリとして設計されてるから。 勿論音圧の調節はしなきゃ駄目だけども。 Mixが駄目なのはもしかしたら オーケストレーションが駄目な可能性もある。 例えばフルートの低域が異常に大きかったりとか。 MU50でカツカツやってた人間からすると 正直今のソフトシンセはコストもクオリティも 魔法のソフトウェアとしか言いようが無い S3000XLが10万以上した時代もあったというのに。 なかなか素のままじゃいい感じに仕上がらないし。 やっぱり多少の作業は必要だよね。 まあQLSOに限った話ではないが。 特に曲の終わりとかで柔らかく終わらせようとexpを0まで下げたりすると 残響も一緒に無くなってしますので聴いてて気持ち悪くなってくるのですが うまく余韻を残すようなテクニックとがありましたらご教示いただけませんでしょうか。 そのやり方だと最後がどうしてもプツッと切れた感じになるのですが もうこれは止むを得ないのでしょうか。 あと、同じように音量を絞った後で次のノートのためにexpを開くと まだ前の音の残響が残ってたりで、どうにも金の残響には悩まされてます。 説明書読み直した方が良いよ。 QlSOは、その一点のデメリットが非常にもったいない。 まぁ今のところプラチナがそれに当たる? てか、プラチナのマルチマイクが残響調整の為にあると思ってる事自体間違えてる。 今のところ、より良いと断言出来るオケ音源も無いしね。 GPOではキャパが狭まり、 VSLでは作業時間が数倍になってしまう。 だれか仕組みをわかりやすく解説して!!! KONTAKTで読もうとしてもartholizeされてないって出るし。 うるさいバカはウザいから先に画像うpっとく。 っつーか、そのネタ飽きた。 だれか仕組みをわかりやすく・・・・」というのは 別のじげんですから、 まずQLSCをオーサライズしてからおいでなさいな。 けんか腰は駄目よ。 英語マニュアルに解説あり。 ふ ざ け る な。 2.付属の説明の紙1枚はついてなかった。 3.なので、みんなが出来る QLSO GOLD PRO XP のライブラリのインストール方法がなぜか解らなかった。 4.soundsonline の値段より安く入手したらしい。 5.soundsonline のログインアカウントは、なぜか受け付けてもらえない。 6.soundsonline にメールすると、なぜか返事が来ない。 7.認証済んでるはずなのに、なぜか kontakt では読み込めない。 8.正しい情報を教えてもらっても、なぜか彼のところではうまくいかない。 いま、旧銀使ってるのでバージョンアップした方がいいのかどうか 悩んでたとこ。 ポップスのオケで使うので銀で十分です。 たしか今までのはPlay版にアップしたらKontaktは駄目とか言ってたが、どっちもOKのライセンスみたい。 30日までのdiscount付き。 いちおうKontaktで使ってるから特に不満はないんだけどPley版は使いやすい? 最初のころは不具合でさんざんだったみたいだから悩む... いや、前からどっちもOKだったが。 あのメールは単純にアプグレキャンペーンのお知らせだよ。 PLAY Software Update v1. 早速アップデートしてみよう。 これを「直った」と言うべきかどうか。 今のところ、NI版を使用続行するつもり。 こまごまと挙動不審な部分があるのは相変わらず。 まあ、出してきただけいいかもね。 PLAY版は、あの悪名高きオーボエのピッチを始め、ちょこちょこと編集を加えてきてるから 出来ることならメインで使いたいんだけどね。 そうかと言って「1インスタンスだけPLAYを使う」という場合、 立ち上げだけで140メガほどメモリを持っていかれるのは何とも・・・。 QLSCの使い方がわかるなら別ですが、あなたは持っていすらしないでしょう。 あなた、2ch上でも邪魔になってますよ。 083に戻されてる・・・。 The issues are; the multi-threading for the convolution wasn't activated that would put more stress on the processor when using reverb on a multi-core system ; and the saved midi routing from previous projects wasn't loading - these are easy fixes that will be available tomorrow. で、今晩か明日辺りに1. 4が公開される模様。 バカやろう。 書き出しの再はkompaktごとにバウンスするなどして対処していますが。 作ってる最中も他チャンネルに影響させない方法があったら教えてください。 kontaktスレで聞きます。 そして100レス目記念。 とりあえず、キャンペーンで頼んだGOLIATHが楽しみ。 Disk読み込みエラーもなく、 ほっとした。 Kontakt銀からのアップグレードだけど。 音質はよくなっててリアルなんだけど、残響とかの輪郭まで聞こえるようになったら やっぱりあの残響、ホール感が鼻につくようになってきた。 別ソフトでドライな音を用意して、センターに補うようにして使ってるけどー。 正直素材の処理の仕方が別物。 銀XPはドライ感を出そうとしてて、 金XPはホールの残響をしっかりのこしてある。 金とか白金の音素材から残響成分を切るようにして編集された素材が銀に使われてると思った。 だからPlay版になって音がリアルになったからってよりは、 銀と金が元々違う傾向にあったってだけっぽい。 銀はポップス向きとはEWに言われてたけどそういう用途用にちゃんと調整されてたってのは知らなかった。 正直、銀の方が使いやすかった。 PLAYはDVDの2枚目までは金銀一緒に入ってるみたいなので、銀単体で入れてみるす。 けど、 のリンク先にあえて補足するとすれば、KOMPAKTに音色を 読み込ませる時は、Ch. 1~Ch. もうディスコンだろうけど。 qlscのとよく似てるけどmidi yokeとかのバーチャルmidiが必要。 PLAY Software Update v1. ごめんよ。 それでも安いくらい。 「音を出せた人は誰もいません………」って返事されたら満足? それとも、正直に「いるに決まってるだろ」って返事して欲しいのか? 勝手に行き詰まってろよ。 Logicのエンバ設定のところで行き詰まってしまいます... 現在、QLSO銀 NI版 を使っているのですが、10Violasが使えなさすぎます。 クラシックスレで、「銀は、白金の中のドライな音を詰め込んだ音源だ」 みたいな推測の書き込みがありましたが、 銀を持っている自分が今回金proの音と聴き比べてみて、なるほどなと思いました。 他の音源との混ざり具合や相性という点で判断すると、 金<銀 と言えるかもしれません。 ドライ音が使いたいのでGoldに行かず他音源に移りますね。 円高でただでさえ安いのに嬉しいな。 GOLIATH欲しいんだけどかなり重いよね? T7100のWinノートじゃ厳しいものがあると思うんだが。 31日までの年末セール終わったら来月は新年セールだろ。 この不況で潰れない事を祈る。 返金はしない。 その場合、最悪口座停止もありえるから。 安全性に関してはクレカのほうが安全だと思う。 クレジットは基本的にトラブル補償されるから。 S社やO社はなかなか補償してくれない事で有名だけど。 てかクレカ板でやれ。 スレ違いだ。 Hello. I've received the package today. But you sent me a wrong disk and I cannot install it. 仕事速かったけど詰めが甘いダメリカン。 Yellow Monkey!! 普通の注文と同じ感じの奴。 フェデックスのトラッキング番号もついてて一安心。 それにしても、現地深夜に電話したから留守電想定だったのに 人が出てびっくりした。 24H電話待ちしてるのかな。 QL PIANOSを買えっていうことか? しゃーないからIVORYのイタリアングランドでも買うわ。 オーケストレーションは自由だ。 上手い下手ではない。 個性だ。 音痴の人の歌が個性だっていってるようなもんだろ。 酷い良い訳にしかすぎない。 上手い下手ではない。 個性だ。 心狭い香具師大杉。 どんな高いソフトで下手なオーケストレーションしようが、音質悪かろうが本人が楽しんでればいいだろ。 「ここが悪い」「もっとこうした方が良い」という具体的な指摘は一個もないから、察するに口だけの素人が叩いてるだけじゃないかと。 まぁ、内容がどうあれこれ見よがしにうpされたら叩きたくなるのは分かるけどなw しかも自信作を叩かれて消すチキンっぷりは俺もむかつくわ。 素人でも、一人のアーティストとして。 もっと体当たりしろよ。 「プラチナ使った力作です、聴いてください。 未熟な点はアドバイスください」ってね。 本人とかそうじゃないとかどうでもいい。 アップし直しました。 別にこれ見よがしでも自信作でもないです。 ただ1人のニコニコユーザーとして、アップした物の反応を楽しんでいるだけです。 直接文句を言いたいならメールして頂ければ対応します。 ただし、メールサーバーの不調で一部プロバイダからのメールが受信できません。 これ以上はスレ違いだと思うので書き込みません。 まず叩くべきであるのはDL厨なのはいいんだが、そうじゃないとわかったら オクで購入したことを知って執拗に攻めるのもほどほどにしたほうがいいんじゃないかと。 買う側はんなこと知らんしさ。 耳コピということですが、PS音源は聞いてないのでわかりませんが、 音の間違い(不協和音など)が無いのはいいんじゃないかと。 耳悪いと関係なしにボンボン鳴らす人もいるからね。 音量のバランスは実際にホールでオーケストラを聴かれるといいと思います。 CDだと弦から金管まですみずみまで聴こえるけども、 実際は金管がフォルテで吹くと、木管とか弦はかき消されるくらいです。 4だけは楽譜が出てるので、そこまで聴きこんでいるなら、 自分が聴いた音と比較しながら楽譜を読んでみればかなりの勉強になると思いますよ。 クレジットカードを持ってない人はカードを作る行程がその前に入るよ。 クレジットカードを持ってない人はカードを作る行程がその前に入るよ。 それだけで、ホール生録音源の完成だよ。 あとはmp3か動画に変換して、 うpロダか、Youtubeかニコニコか、任意のにあげて、2ちゃんに晒すんだよ。 で、これでもかっていう程の罵声浴びて凹むんだぜ。 これが一連の流れ。 出直して来た方がいいよ。 マジで。 更にプラチナならマイクミックスのバランス変える事で調整出来るから せっかくのホールのアンビエントがあるのに、かけるのは勿体ない。 そこらがQLSOの限界ともとれますが、アタックとかサステインいじってると どうもひとつのサンプリング音じゃなく、データとしては 音色とリバーブに分かれてるようなんですよね…それをKOMPAKTで いっぺんにならしてるみたいな。 それオマエの使い方が間違えてるだけだから。 ポップスに使えるくらい。 あと音の切り際でのエクスプレッションの形状 (特にデクレッシェンドの場合)には注意したほうがいい。 あなたが書いてる「リバーブの不自然さ」が出てしまうからね。 まあ、この音源の場合、 ホントはエクスプレッションは極力使わない方がいいんだろうが、 実際微妙な抑揚の調整はエクスプレッションでつけるからなぁ。 大きなクレッシェンド、デクレッシェンドはDXFの音色を使うが。 てかそうやって使うものだと思ってる。 ああ、Goliathを買ったら他のやつも欲しくなってきたぜ…。 よってドライ音が使いやすいわけだけど、銀は制限が多い。 とすると白金しか選択肢がないのかorz PLAYはIRリバーブ付きみたいだけど、旧Kompact版のリバーブってIRリバーブじゃないですよね? Kompactのまま使う人は少ないと思うけど。 うちメモリ3G ペン4 3. そしてどこか泥臭い。 QLSOとは性格が異なる音源だね。 擬人化すると、 VSLが何でもひと通りそつなくこなす、クラスの優等生で、 QLSOがクラスを盛り上げる、リーダー的な存在なら、 Miroslavは、芯は強いけど引っ込み思案で、いつも窓から外を見て黄昏てる子。 でも何故かTuttiの迫力に欠ける気が。 QLSO とにかく派手。 リアルさはどうだろ・・・弦がシンセみたいに感じる事も。 フォルティシモのTuttiで一番オケっぽく感じる。 この迫力は他の音源じゃ出しづらいかも。 ミロスラフ 個人的に弦の荒っぽい音が好き。 シンバルは他音源のものを使ったほうがいいかも。 金出して買った正規ユーザーがなんで不便な思いしなきゃならんのだと。 そして割れユーザーは今ものうのうと使ってるんだろうし。 もうアホかと。 まあ忘れたころに思い出してあげてください。 16GBのSDカードが3000円切ってるご時世なのに。 そういう規約の下で使う契約なんだし。 そういう事態になったら盛大に訴えられるんじゃね? 罰則内容がグレーなだけであってやってることは黒なんだよ。 仮にもは気にしているんだから。 得意げに規約違反を指南するのは良くない。 そういうのはモラルのない奴が自己責任で黙ってやってろと。 馬鹿にしろよ。 うざい規約だってのは俺だって思うし、 訴えられる事態になんかそうなり得ないことも 常識的に考えればわかる。 ウザいって思いを語るぶんにはいいんだが、 守らなくていいなんて話に発展するのはどうかと思う。 それだけだ。 どう思うかは任せるよ。 こちらはdisc 2じゃなくてdisc 1だったが。 再送依頼のメールを送ったが、202氏の英文を参考にさせてもらった。 仕事が忙しくインストールはとうぶん先と思っていたのだが、このスレを 覗かなければ気づかなかったなー。 202氏に感謝したい。 酷いのだと製品版なのにCD-Rで盤面インクイェットプリンタで印刷されたものが届いたりするぜ。 しかもそれがまたエラー起こして読み込み出来なかったりする。 お前らの日頃の行いが悪すぎて罰があたってるんだろう。 自業自得。 カルマ。 ザマー。 かと思ったら、どれか一つのキーを押しっぱなしにしながら弾くとちゃんと鳴る。 シーケンサーからの入力には正常に(一つの音階だけで)反応する。 これってオーボエに特殊な演奏法があるとかではなく、ただのバグでいいんだよね? ハイリゾで買ったのは普通だったけど、本家で買ったSD2のディスクにはすごい焼きムラがあってビビった。 読めないとか、ディスクそのものが違うとか、お役所仕事もいいとこ。 残響カットがメインじゃない。 アンビエントの調節は、ホールマイクとステージマイクのバランスで決めるのが常識。 実際のオケをホール録音する場合も同じ。 てか、ステージ録音したものである以上、それを生かせないならQLSOを使う意味はない。 死ねよ今すぐ。 ちょっとEQかけるだけで使ってる。 QLSOはほんとちょっと気になるとこをEQでいじるだけでも全然いけるので楽ですね、そのせいで評価わかれるんでしょうけど、 自分はドッカーンとしたものつくりたいときはQLSOつかうようにしようかなと思ってます。 あとはもうスレ違いだから クラオケかCubaseスレ行って下さい。 トゥッティでどんな響きするのかと。 QLSO白金+をupgrade注文して間違ったディスクが送られてきた件、 都合3回のメール催促で正しいディスクが昨日届きました。 しかし発送メールも謝罪文もなし。 ディスク1枚だけ、ホントにそれだけ。 送ればいいってものでもないと思うのだが、感覚の違いですかね。 海外ってそんなもんだ。 梱包も荒いし。 そもそも梱包材なんか日本なら100均でいくらでも売ってるけど、海外じゃ街中で探すのも大変。 宅配便の時間指定なんてのもないし。 日本が異常に細かいから、それを常識だと思ってると海外で買い物出来ないね。 届いただけマシ。 に何度メールしても音沙汰なかったけど、 Support CenterのSubmit a Ticketから書き込んだら3日ほどでディスク発送したよメールが来た。 で、早速インスコして鳴らしてみたんだが、とりあえず音がブチブチ途切れまくって全く実用に耐えないw 16bitの1マイクしか使ってない 実質Gold 状態でも無理。 弦セクションだけとかで鳴らしても、ちょっと音の密度が上がるとすぐ切れる。 劇的な改善があったらまたレポするかも。 StreamingのEngine Levelは0~5まで全部試したけど大きな改善は見られず、 今は一番マシな5にしてます。 OverLoad Protectionはチェック外した方がマシだったので外してます。 PLAYのVer. 13にup済み。 あと設定見直すべきとこありますかねえ。。。 発音数の多い一部の音色のみメモリに読み込んでみたところ、 その音色に関しては音途切れ皆無&他の音色の音途切れもやや発生しにくくなったため、 HDDからの読み出し速度がボトルネックと判断した次第です。 ちなみにあちこちでよく耳にする「SONARだと保存に数十秒かかる」という現象は うちでは発生してません。 メモリにめいっぱいロードしても5~6秒で保存できてます。 メモリにめいっぱいロードしても5~6秒で保存できてます。 SONARでちゃんと短時間で保存されるケースもあるんだね。 ちなみにプチプチっていうよりそもそも最初から発音されないとか 大tuttiで半分しか音鳴ってないというレベルです。 OSは初期設定からあまり変更した記憶がないので答えにくいです; こことここの設定見てくれーとか指定してくれたら確認します。 低スペックPCだと、ジプシーのギターだけで途切れるらしいが 新しいPCにしたら直ったという例も知ってる。 基本的に録り直したわけじゃないから音質、ノイズとかはそのままだったりする。 音楽性は個々によるから知らん。 ただ、重くなった分イラっとするから精神的にはヨクナイと思う。 NI白金とPLAY白金の比較で言えば 商品価値が下がって値段も下がった、のかな?w kontaktも3よりは2のほうがと言われてるし、 新しいのが必ずしも良いとは限らないよね。 NI白金持ってる人はおめでとう。 結論から言うと、SSD導入と設定の見直しの相乗効果で大幅に改善されました。 まず最重要事項が、SONARの「マルチプロセッサの処理を有効にする」をONにしては いけないということです。 これをONにしたまま音を鳴らしていると、同時発音数の上限がVoice Limitの設定に関係なく 勝手にゴリゴリ下がってきます。 PLAY側のバグっぽいです。。 で、マルチプロセッサをOFFにすると、ほとんどまともに発音されなくなるような事態は 発生しなくなりましたが、やはりHDDだと読み出しが追いつかず同時発音数の多い部分は 途切れ気味でした。 他にも828mk2側のバッファ設定など見直したところ、大編成のtuttiなどは厳しいものの、 小~中規模の曲でちょこちょこ2マイク使う程度ならまず大丈夫そうな感じです。 (まだ使い込んでないので動作の安定性は分かりませんが) 現状のボトルネックはCPUになりました。 バグのせいで1コア分しか働けないのでorz 同時発音数が増えすぎるとドロップアウトします。 マルチプロセッサONで動かせるようになればかなり理想的な環境になりそうな予感です。 今まで使ってたHDDのキャッシュや読み込みが遅かったのと、 ライブラリの移動でファイル位置が最適化されただけかと。 新しいスピードの出るHDD入れた方がCPもスピードも良かったと思う。 SSD は HDD のようにシークで時間食わないから ランダムアクセスが速いんだし、 HDDほどファイル位置の影響は受けない。 SSD自体の効果ではない。 SSDに入れ替えたんだろ。 同じ事じゃん。 解決したって言ってるんだからいいじゃんそれで。 でも単純にcpでいったらSSDは負けだと思うよ。 QLSOPlatiumで高回転、バッファメモリ多、出力300のHDDで組んで問題なく動いてるから。 スタンダードなドラムキットは1つのみで、他は大体民族打楽器。 一つの楽器に大量のサンプルがあり、…まあ使う人は 民族楽器に精通した人のハズなんでかなりハイクォリティなグルーブが作れるんじゃないかと。 SSDは、負荷分散やバッファの設定・ファイル位置最適化etcに神経使わずに済むのが大きいですね。 時間が買えます。 まだ割高感はありますがGB単価200円割ってますし、入れたいライブラリのサイズによっては 十分選択肢に入ってくるのでは。 -------------------------------------------------- CrystalDiskMark 2. 2 C 2007-2008 hiyohiyo Crystal Dew World : -------------------------------------------------- Sequential Read : 151. もう一台SSD買ってBrassとPercも入れようかなぁ。 ちなみに、PLAYエンジンのMORとかもSSDに入れてみたけど、音切れもなくなって快適そのもの。 ドラムもベースもギターも同時に鳴らしても余裕。 確かに容量の問題はないことはないけど、 だいぶ値段も下がったし、うちもライブラリ全部SSDにおいてるけど HDDとは次元が違うランダムリード(クリスタルマークの4kで 20倍くらい違う)だし、kontaktならバッファ激減できるから メモリの使用量も減らせる。 さらに無音で静音化にも有効と、 いまのところいいことづくめ。 今、HDDでRAID組んでるんだけど、 ファン音、HDD音が結構五月蝿いから隣の部屋に置いてる。 ていうか、QLのピアノなんてまさにHDDやSSDで売った方がいいんじゃね?とすら思う。 で、QLSOなど大容量サンプリング系音源の場合、音源がMIDI情報 (音の高さ、ベロシティなど)をシーケンサーや実際に演奏したMIDI キーボードから受け取り、何千何万(音源による)という音ネタファイル の中から該当するファイルを探し出して発音に至る、というのが超おおざっぱな流れ。 で、MIDIの情報は当然いつ、どんなものがくるのかわからない上に、 オケなどは100音以上同時に発音したりもするので、いかに迅速にかつ 次々に音ネタファイルを実際の発音に持っていくかというのが極めて重要。 そういう意味でこういう用途の場合、HDDやSSDなどのベンチマークでは 「ランダムリード」や「シークタイム」というのが重要になってくる。 でいろいろなベンチを見れば分かるけど、HDDの場合、最新のHDDになれば なるほどプラッタの密度がどんどん上がって1プラッタあたりに保存できる情報 が増えた分、その中からピンポイントかつランダムにファイルを探すという作業 はかえって不得手にすらなってきている(まあNCQとかいう気休めはあるが)ので ベンチマークのランダムリード性能(4kなど単位が小さくなればなるほど)や シークタイムはむしろ下がっている。 コレをHDDで緩和するには回転数を上げるしかなく、ハイエンドな人は10000rpmの Raptorや15000rpmのSCSIやらSASなど使っていたのだが、SSDでは根本的にHDD とは全く原理が違っており、ランダムなアクセスが別次元で早い(「クリスタルマーク の4kで20倍くらい違う」など)ので、バッファメモリ減らせて読み込みも早くなった上、 低負荷で同時発音数激増できてすごいです~っていう話。 てか、あまりの量でインスコ面倒になってやめちゃったんだが。 最近ライブラリ置いてるHDDのカリカリ音が何か変で クラッシュしそうな悪寒。 SSDも導入検討してみる。 バッファが少ない分ローディングは確かに少し早くなる けど、それは副次的な効果だしシーケンシャルの速度 も関係する。 上に書いたことは多分寝言・妄言でした。 忘れてちょ。 SSDでも分割がオススメ。 そもそもSSDの容量が少ないからそうせざるを得ないんだが。 ピアノとか、とにかく一音色でサンプル数が多いプログラムで比較すると分かりやすい。 もちろんプリロードを半分にすりゃ、メモリに読み込む量自体が半分になるんだから そりゃロードも速くなるわけだけど、仮に設定同じで使っても明らかな差がある。 DFD音色のロードってようは数KB~数十KBの小さなファイルの断片を 大量に読み込むわけで、これはほとんどランダムリードと言って良いのでは? ちなみにどれくらいのファイルの大きさから シーケンシャルの性能が重要になってくるのかはわからないけど、 試しに全部メモリに読み込んでから動作するDFHSをSSDで使ってみたら これも明らかにロード速くなった。 (このソフトは大体一つのWAVファイルが十数MBといったところか。 レス版見ないで、上のオクに出てるばか高いPCの話だと思った。。。 音色数は超少ないけど、クセの無い良い音が出るよ。 自分は金XPも持ってるけど、クセ無しロード短めお手軽音源として、銀は今でもかなり重宝してる。 ミロスラフも持ってるけど音が渋いので、 重厚感のある曲・ワビサビのある曲とかには良いけど、 華やかな曲には向いていないかも。 生っぽいかというとそりゃ全然生っぽくは無いが。 音としてアリだと思う。 かっこいいわと思った。 でも俺もそこまで叩かれる内容ではないと思う。 うpされるとどこからか批判厨が沸くのはいつものこと。 音は曲に合ってるね。 QLSOとて所詮単音が得意なサンプラーの領域を出ないからな、生そっくりのバイオリンは無理だよ。 QLSOに幻想抱きすぎ。 煽りではなくよければお手本の一端を見せて頂けないでしょうか。 その良さを引き出した使い方というのは純粋に興味ある。 制限された銀でこんなに良い音が出るのかと。 音色デモ目的で出すなら全然適切じゃない曲だと思うんだが。 弦の事知らない奴が鍵盤で弾いてみましたって感じで実際生で弾いた場合無理な箇所多々。 ここの住人は気に入るんじゃないかな。 KONTAKTフォーマットの拡張版が 200ドルくらいで買えます。 はアドオケ並みに古いぞ。 キースイッチ音色をいっぱい使うと急激に保存時間が伸びるので検証したところ、 たとえLoadしていなくても、キースイッチに含まれる音色の数に比例して保存時間が伸びてる模様。 どうしてもキースイッチじゃないと厳しいパート以外キースイッチ使うのやめたら大幅に改善された。 便利な全部入りキースイッチを気軽に使えないのは痛いけど、 実際使う音色が2~3種ならトラック分けて単品音色使えば何とか凌げる。 ありがとう。 公式フォーラムでも「全部入りキースイッチが怪しい?」という指摘があったりして、 以来、古いほうのキースイッチパッチを使うようにしてたんだけど、 それでもやっぱり、まだまだ時間がかかるのが現状・・・。 オーボエなんて、鳴り始めと鳴り終わりで半音近く下がっちゃったりしてたのが、 波形編集されて改善されてるし、1stVlnのexpとかも同様。 VSLチームみたいなプログラミングの技術が あるわけじゃないんだから勘違いしないで欲しかった。 失礼しました。 使われてるサンプリング音は同じなんだろうが。 銀は残響むりやりぶった切ってるからそれを後で付け足してやると どうしても芯がブレるというか。 音質はかわらん。 金と銀の音質は全く同じです。 ・kompakt版の金には銀が付いてない。 銀専用の音色は使えない。 ・PLAY版の金には銀が付いている。 銀の音色も使える。 kompakt金の人は PLAY金アップグレードで銀音色が手に入る。 ・金音色はステージマイクがほとんどで、ホール再現以外に向かない。 (アンビエント切っても厳しい音色がある) ・銀音色はクロースの抜粋。 金や白金のライブラリから リリースをちょんぎってるだけなら 高い汎用性があるとは思えないな。 そもそも金はアンビエント切れないよね。 の言うとおり金のリリースのパッチを省略しているだけ。 なので、音がなってる最中は金と同じ反響音が含まれている と思う。 金はリリースのパッチをカットすることができる。 この時、銀の音色にかなり近くなる と思う。 金と銀が全く一緒なら区別する意味が無くなる。 全体的に音質どう?あと使用環境を教えてくれるとうれしいです。 ) ・サンプルはあくまで 「GOLD用のサンプル」であって、 別途SILVER用サンプルが入るわけではない。 (ただし、手動コピーしないと使えない奴は SILVER と同じ) だから、厳密に言うと 「SILVERの音色・奏法は全てカバーされる」が、 「SILVER(のサンプル全て)が付いてくるわけではない」 長いのでいったん切る。 (SILVER EXTRA は本当は SILVER 専用のつもりのようだ) の kompakt版のような差は説明されてない。 なお、kompakt 版のマニュアルによれば 9 double basses master keysw のような SILVER専用奏法が結構ある(GOLDと異なるサンプル) PLAY版では前述の「GOLD でも手動コピーで使える奴」のみがSILVER専用。 つまり SILVER については、 kompakt版(SILVER独自サンプルだらけ) PLAY版 GOLDの一部の音色を収録。 サンプルデータも共通っぽい) と異なっている。 >9 double basses master keysw これは奏法というよりは便宜上のキースイッチパッチのことなので 音には関係ない話かもしれない。 EW本家にはそう書いてある。 スレ汚してすまなかったね。 kompakt ではSILVER だけが「ストレッチサンプル」だったんだから、 別だったんだよ。 そのようだね。 PLAY Silver は POPS に使えるかどうかという点では PLAY GOLD と全く一緒くさい。 PLAYではちゃんとなってるんだね。 「ストレッチサンプル」ってのはあれじゃないかな?サンプル数減らして n倍速再生して音程変えるというやつ。 もうちょっと本格的にするならGPOとかVSEとか。 廉価版という事でQLSO銀にする意味はあまりないかもしれない。 輸入品な以上はある程度仕方ないけどさ、破損率って物理的に? 俺もくらったけど。 到着即確認は基本だよね。 あと、 は用途もなにも書いてないから答えようがなかったよ。 このスレを SSD で検索して読むくらいしたほうが良いかもね。 ありがとう、少し勇気が沸いてきた。 無事インスコできたらフレンチホルンで ヴァンッヴァンッ!! 既知のトラブルや問題点は割と網羅されていると思う。 ブラス関係はSAM Brassの流用なん?残響とかはどんな感じ? QLSOと比べての傾向とか聞きたいなー。 もう我慢できない。 そもそもSSDは俺の中ではまだ実用段階じゃないと思ってる。 だから今回i7の965とハイエンドパーツで専用マシンを組んだんだ。 DTMのライブラリ置き場としての性能は、Random Readの数値(特に4K)だけで比較するといいよ 普通のHDDをヤムチャ、Raptorとかの高速HDDを天津飯とするとSSDは軒並み超サイヤ人なのが判ると思う。 俺もライブラリ置き場という壊れても良い& 安物でもよい&ものすごく向いてる用途でもなければ、 見送ってるよ。 いや、まだ買ってないんだが。 この辺はスレチだから止め止め。 率直な感想としては 「好みの音ではなかった」 てとこかな。 80年代の劇判あたりに似合いそうな、 良くも悪くもちょっと懐かしさのあるような音色だった。 ストリングスは断然QlSOの方が好みかな。 オケだったらどんなタイプの曲にもそれなりに対応出来ちゃうって、 やっぱりすごいことなんだなと思う。 瞬間的なフリーズがあったりするらしいが。 やが言ってるのはwriteに極端に弱いって事を知ってるから。 特に白金みたいな超巨大な容量でインストール時の負荷を考えたら・・・ readは文句なしで現状で最強最速。 シンフォビアのデモ聞いてみたけど、 個人的にQLSOより一回り上のが来たと思ったんだが スレの反応の悪さに唖然とした。 確かにWriteには弱いらしいな。 だが一旦インストールしたらほぼリードオンリーじゃね? なんかスレを読んだ感じ、HDDかSDDのリードが早ければ 32bit XP C2D2. 6 RAM4GB でもいけそうな気がしてきた。 6 RAM4GB でもいけそうな気がしてきた。 今VSE使ってて、静かめの曲ならこれだけで十分なんだが 激しめの曲になると全体的に迫力が無くて困ってるんだ。 (まあドイツのオケだから仕方ないけど というわけでQLSOかシンフォビアを混ぜて使いたいと思ったんだけどどっちがいいんだろう…。 シンフォビアの方がフレーズが豊富っぽいけどこれって楽器ごとには入ってないのかね? 収録リストみてもアンサンブルとしか書いてないし…。 だれかQLSOのフレーズ(特に弦の駆け上がり/下がりや金管のクラスター)のインプレかデモ音源上げてくれないか…。 最初から最後まで激しい曲ならQLSO一本でいいかもだけど緩急ある曲なら少なくとも木管はVIENNA使いたいな。 そんでもって混ぜるなら金はきついだろうな。 DVD数十枚っていうからどんなもんかと思ってたらびっくりした。 すげーなコレ。 ユメのようだ。 因みにブチブチいう事も無く15台立ち上げても快適。 という事で急遽作った。 ど素人もいいとこだよ。 四月までに買えるといいなぁ。 まだ慣れてなくてダウンしてもいきなり音止まったりして困ってるw ジョンなんたらって何だっけ、オーケストラの方疎くてさorz ラプターって1万回転するHDDのヤツ。 でもマシンパワーがあれば普通の7200rpmでもなんとかなりそう。 クラブ系のひとってのもあるんだろうけど、ジャンルとしてはオケシミュではないね。 オケ音色を組み合わせたアンビエント?そっち方面疎いのでわからないけど。 ガンガン使い倒して、いいの出来たらまたうpしてほしい。 0GHzかQuad 2. 83GHzあたりのにしようと思っている。 0rpm ry それだそれw150GBのにするわ。 確かにジョン・ウィリアムズとか好きそうな感じだなw DAWもこれからならとりあえず、SONARが相性最悪ぽいので注意な。 因みに今例のヤツを耳コピ中。 これも勿論皆してやってみたんだろうなぁ。 これを出来るくらいリアルなのが出ないかと厨房の時ずっと思ってた。 そろそろスレチになりそうだからこれで辞めるよ。 サッサと保存してw 緊急でデータ保存する機能があるみたいだけど、たまに失敗するみたい。 でもクラオケスレには上げちゃだめよ! 叩かれるあるよ。 XPの32でフルメモリー。 3GB以上は認識しないけど気分的に。 64bitだと最大メモリ24GBまで可能との事。 ついでにさらします。 失礼しました。 一番右上にあるパッチ名表示部クリックでトラック選択。 左上の方にあるChannelの項目で出力MIDIチャンネル設定。 うちの環境での話だと、 1. SONAR7の設定でマルチプロセッサONにすると、複数台立ち上げようが何しようが問答無用で発生 2. マルチプロセッサOFFでも、PLAY1台に16トラック詰め込んだりすると時々発生 3. しかし3. そういうスレじゃないから。 アコーディオンはQLSOじゃないので。 23トラック使っています。 楽譜もっていたもので、到底耳コピなどはできませぬ。 2nd. 3rd. …ってあってもセクションでまとめられるし、 打楽器もマルチパッチ使えば複数楽器があっても1トラックで済んじゃう。 トラック数はむしろキースイッチを使うか、単体で立ち上げるかに依存する。 音割れすぎです。 「とりあえずマキシマイザーかましとけ!」みたいな感じ。 ユニゾンになった時、1音だけにしてもこういうドカドカやってる曲には全然問題ない。 色々勉強になりました。 スレ汚しすんません。 今どんな風にミックスしてるのかは分かんないけど、 パーカッションにコンプ+リミッター、その他のパートに軽くコンプ、 最後に全体にマキシマイザーをかけると、 音圧を保ったままもっと抜けが良くなるような気がする。 QLSOの美点を引き出しまくりな印象。 細かく言い出したら切りが無いくらい。 「QLSOってこんな音したっけ?」って思うくらい扱いが高度で、 ぜひご教授願いたいですよ。 ミックスはさておき、 オーケストレーション&音楽的表現力はかなり高い方ですね。 Platinumしか買えなくて。 DAWはCubase4ですがLogicから移行したてで勉強の毎日です。 Vienna野郎でした。 それにしてもQLSOはいいですね! 映画音楽に憧れてGoliathも最近導入しました。 オケ版はおっしゃる通りHal Leonardを海外から取り寄せたものです。 確か同じものを1700円くらいで日本でみた覚えがあります。 これ以上はすれ違いになりそうなのでこの辺で失礼します。 助言をいただいた方々にあつく御礼もうしあげます。 さんありがとうございます。 早速試してみます! へたくそですがブログもやっているのでサーチエンジン で見つけたらあそびにきてくださいね。 EW系でまとめるというのも、あなたのようなタイプには合っていて良いと思います。 ちょっとしたマスタリングで水準以上のクオリティになりますしね。 マルチコンプ(ソフトニー設定)で軽く頭を抑えてやるだけでもかなり変わりますよ。 EQは500Hz辺りをQ2. 0位で-1. 5dB前後カットするとスッキリします。 いずれまたブログでお会いできれば幸いです。 なんてここのスレの人は優しいんだ。 早速反映させてみます!!ありがとうございます。 あら~あのときの方ですね。 ここらで武者修行していることは ブログでは内緒デスw ここが一番厳しく修行になるので。 Play版が使い物になるかどうかはわからないけどアプグレしてみるよん。 アプグレは99. 95ドルだよん。 NIもそのまま使い続けられるんだって、安いね。 Native Power Packからのうpです。 L2が個人的にはL3 multi より好きです。 渋谷でマーキュリー箱売りしてるのみてびびりました。 買う人いるんだーみたいな。 Production Mixing Mastering with WAVES(日本語)という本を少しずつ読んでます。 楽だね。 でもこの板の住人に怒られちゃう。 修行修行。 ごめんなさい。 ちなみにHAL LEONARD FULL ORCHESTRA CORPORATION? どっちかが出版社っぽいね。 83GHz 4GB 実質3. 2GB? 500GB 7200rpm GeForce 9500GT 512MB この構成のデスクを近々注文しようと思うんだ。 どこまでいけるだろうか。 今すぐは買えないのでSSDと一緒に買おうと思ってます。 Goliath買って無事不具合がなく動けばQLSO金買うと思います。 PLAYエンジンってストリーミング出来るんでメモリは64bitじゃなくてもいいやと思っていましたが。 駄目ですか。。。 0が出てからでいいかなーと。 快適を求めるならSSDか8~16GBくらいのメモリ積むのがいい。 C5の発売を待っていますが 今のところCubaseにしようと思ってます。 あとはHGSTの1Tの頭50Gくらいパーティション切ってOS(まだ32bit で俺はいいと思う。 XPでもVISTAでもご自由に)等入れて残りは倉庫でご自由に これで再来年あたりにUSB3. 0やSATA3. 0標準化されWin7安定まで乗り切る。 これナイスコスパフォあるね。 演算の多い用途ならi7、そこまででなければ Phenomでも、って感じ。 ただし自作での話でBTOで選択可能かどうかは 分かりませぬ。 3 英語パッチ来たな。 multi processor 関連の修正が入ってるぽいから落としてみよう。 俺がもし液晶込み10万でQLSO使うマシン組むとして、 何とか以下で可能だね。 ってか構成考えてたら おら組みたくなってきたwスレチにつきこれでROMに戻りまする。 まだオケの理論を勉強してないんでQLSOを買ったとしてもすぐには何十トラックも使わないだろうし。 BTOより自由度高いですねそれは。 1万高くてもPhenomIIに行ったほうがいいですかね。 確かにDPCレイテンシの 問題はあるが、ぶっちゃけマザー選べないBTO選ぶ時点で その問題は諦めるほかない。 あと当然メモリは4G。 でモニターに2233SW、OSにXP HomeかVista Home Premium 選ぶと、送料込みで97331円。 いいねえ~。 以前は2002年ごろはBTOと変わらない印象だったんだが。 BTO スレに行けばマザー選べる BTO も解るってのに ドスパラでマザー選べない BTO で Quad とか、本人も損なんだぜ。 それに近い構成で行こうと思います。 ごめんなさい 予算が限られてるのでdosparaぐらいしか選択肢がないっぽいです。 スレチすいませんでした。 ろmに戻ります。 それに割り当てが半音毎とか2半音どころじゃなく、5半音毎とかあるし。。。 PLAY版は知らないけど。 銀でQLSOは語れない。 演奏しているところを見たいんだ。 コストや手軽さ、利便性においてはぶっちぎりで優ってるが。 おもいきって、macに移行したらしあわせになれますかね。 macについては全く知識ないもんで、 どのあたりの機種でいいのか・・・実際に使用している方いたらアドバイスをよろしく。 30トラック程度 すべてMIDI のフル・オーケストラで協奏曲のカラオケ(練習にあわせて テンポやダイナミックスを随時変更する必要があるのでオーディオ化不可)を作成しています。 MacProは別としてiMac、ノート、miniは似たり寄ったりのスペックだから。 Mac経験者なら出戻りってのもアリだと思うけど 今はSSDやVista64っていう選択肢もあるし。 環境丸ごと引越しはやっぱそれなりに大変だと思うよ 費用対効果で言えばまずはSSDじゃないかな。 スイッチ入れてSOL2とKONTAKT3でQLSO金使ってるが 俺が確認した限りでは2Gオーバー時点でOSごと落ちる。 eSATAで接続したけど大して変わらなかったぞ、マジで。 これならもう少し安くなってから導入でも良かった気がする。 OSXより安定するし。 今まで24KBとか18KBとかで使ってたのが、 KONTAKTの設定最小値の6KBで普通に使えるようになる。 (HDDだとせいぜい何十ボイスとかでブツブツ言い始めるので、 とてもこんな設定では常用できない。 ) これはどういうことかというと、 例えば300個のWAVファイルを使ってる音色で、プリロードの設定が18KBなら、 読み込んだときに消費するメモリの容量は18KB x 300で5400KB。 これが、もしプリロードの設定が6KBなら、6KB x 300で1800KB。 すんごく単純な話。 この場合だと3倍読み込めるようになる計算だけど 実際はチャンネルリザーブや、スキンやらIRファイルやらで多少誤差はある。 でも生音系の大容量サンプルを大量に読み込んで使う人にとっては、 「倍読める」というのはホント控えめに見積もった表現と言っていいと思う 読み込む量自体が減るんだから当然読み込み時間も速くなるけど、これはオマケ。 SSD考えてみます。 KONTAKT版は数年前に買ってコーラス音源としては仕事で使ったけど、 歌詞入力はした事は無いんだよな。 「みかか」を知っているのに思いつかなかった。 うちのパソコンが壊れたのかとオモッタ。 一つの曲としてとか映画BGMとすると何もかも足りないけど。 曲のスタイルは基本はOKだと思う。 展開がループ前提っぽくなってるので ゲームとかなら普通にこのぐらいで全然アリ。 ただ展開が淡泊なのでプリーフィング場面とか短めのシークエンスに使いどころは限られそう。 劇伴なら尺合わせモノでなくてももう少し展開が欲しい。 繰り返しにひねり入れるとか。 このタイプのアレンジはQLSOの場合、全体の量感が細くなりがちなので そこをどう対処するかがキモじゃない? とりあえずtuttiはもう少し厚み欲しいよね。 の言ってる物足りなさも量感の部分が大きいと推測。 チェロ、トロンボーン に5度の音を足す。 パーカッションの「アンヴィル」を入れる。 ストリング白玉の部分、コンバスでオクタブ下のベースラインを加える。 これだけで多分本物っぽくなる。 0 RELEASED 来たけど、SoundOnline重くて繋がらない。 ちょっと前にチューニングピッチの変更が出来ない云々のレスがあったけど これで解決しそうだよ。 まだDLしてないけど。 プロシューマーでこんなのも出て来たし、 コンシューマー機器も次第に出て来るだろ。 導入もうちょっと待った方がコストも下がるだろうし、いいもの買えそう。 28TBの4種類のモデルが提供の予定で 販売価格は160GBのものでも1万ドル(約90万円)超となりそうだ。 5インチサイズの大容量のが出てきそう。 早速試してみるよ。 マジで。 KOMPAKT版持ってるからアプグレだけど。 重くなってない事を祈る。 スレ読み返せばわかるが、Play版は今の所ウンコ。 今、新規で買うならPlay版しかないから選択のしようがないけど。 あげとこう。 うんこ風呂にはいって、うんこしゃんぷーであたまをあらってごらん ぬちょぬちょ感がたまらない。 においなんてのは、最初の3分だけ。 時間の無駄じゃねぇかよ。 ばぁろぉ。 などとは、いいません。 もう書けないので、新しいスレッドを立ててくださいです。。。

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